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"Is it true", ask non-natives, "that Campbells and MacDonalds still hate each other because of the Glencoe Massacre?"
Expats, generations removed, seem to believe in this!
Your surname is just a name, and you got it from the local rich and dangerous family you paid rent/protection money to!
Maybe the big daddy came to weddings and impregnated the bride on Prima Nocta to get the clan/family allegiance thing going?
Maybe i hate Zulus and Germans for killing my ancestors!
Or the IRA or the English. In fact, let's invade Norway for what they did to the Isle of Iona!!
WISE UP AND LIVE IN THE PRESENT!
Or tell us here what its all about......
BLAME THE GOVERNMENT! The Campbells were 'set up' and many of the Campbell militia actually warned their hosts to flee before the killing started.
Even a fairly recent interview with the owner of the Glencoe hostelry which has the sign "Campbells not welcome" admits that the sign is only "there for the tourists"!! My father-in-law, (a Mr Campbell!) stayed there, signed in, and was made as welcome as any other guest!
Rob, the "Bubble-Buster"... at it again! ;-)
Glad to know that past hatreds are a non-issue in the present!!
However, while I know they're UNREALISTIC, my notions of Scotland's past are ROMANTIC and HEROIC!! At least, those are the things I like to focus on... not the terrible wars or hatred between clans and others.
I think I'll stay in my "Happy Bubble," despite your best efforts to burst it! haha!! :-)
Very interesting link, Phil.
By the way, clanwise, i'm sure "the children of the mist" have more reason than any to bear grudges from the Fire And Sword times, but any sensible person can live in the present.
Yeah! Our NAME was proscribed! But what the hell! The 'children of the mist' are now again permitted to call ourselves 'MacGregor'. Trouble is, most of us have been through 6 or 7 generations of using a different surname. So the proscription HAS diluted our clan - as far as surname is concerned! Even Rob-Roy ended up as Robert Campbell (coincidentally, the same name as the 'captain' that enforced the 'massacre' at Glencoe!!)
It's in the HEART that a clansman knows his blood, his kin, and his country!
Clan tents here enjoy a spirited mock rivalry mostly to keep alive the old stories and legends. It is true that the Buchanan tent down in Georgia has a small starters canon that it aims at the MacFarlands and lacking them the Campbells, but its all done in fun. At the end of the day we are all in the beer tent sharing a pint.
As I like to say: The MacIntosh have apples, the Campbells a pretty bad soup, the McDonalds (sic) a really bad hamburger, and the Buchanans have a deluxe whisky - now which clan do you want to belong to?
People like to hear about the old rivalries and feuds but no one takes them seriously, anymore than they do the Hatfields and McCoys (who were Ulster Scots by the way).
On trips to Loch Lomond and Stirlingshire, I do have to say that both my brother and I observed signs of vandalism on Campbell headstones. But I can't say how old it was or if it was just some young delinquents doing the handiwork.
On my FATHER'S side, I'm a MacDonald (Clan Ranald), my wife's a Campbell. I love her dearly - enough said!
Hells bells, if I can forgive the traitors who sold their nation for English gold (that apparently they never actually got paid!!!), (http://www.rampantscotland.com/know/blknow_union.htm), surely I can forgive those others of clan warfare, who knew not what they did! Christ forgave Judas.
On the other hand, I'm not absolutely convinced I DO forgive the 'bankers' that sold their country in 1705-1707! HEY! What goes around comes around! The 'bankers' have just done it again! WILL WE EVER LEARN???
quickfind:celticquester > "Glad to know that past hatreds are a non-issue in the present!!"
Depends on whether or not it is between Scots, or Scots and English. When we first visited Scotland in 1999 there was a member in our party that is an Elliott. We spent one night in Carlisle. The B&B owner didn't want to let our Elliott friend stay in his house. He finally allowed it after we discussed it for a while. He also didn't want to accept our credit card because it had an Irish celtic cross on the front. This man had some issues ;-)
Gee Whiz, what a nut!
They get proud don't they, i once had to leave a guest hoose in Scotland for carrying boots upstairs - i explained i had newspaper to sit them on, but old Crankie MacCrank said i was to leave them doonstairs and that was it! =Get Oot!
There is always good natured ragging between the Clans at Games and Gatherings.
The Clans in South Australia always support each other's functions and annual dinners etc.
One of the funniest episodes of last year happened at our MacLeod dinner when the Jeannie Kelso a well known harpist and soprano set up her harp right next to a table of Campbells and innocently struck up 'The Glencoe Massacre'
Those at the MacDonald table were hard pressed to contain their mirth while the Campbells were somewhat abashed.
( appalled would be a better description ). The rest of us did our best to politely listen to the singer while trying to keep straight faces. Jeannie kept on singing even though she detected an undercurrent of hilarity.
If you have Lamont ancestors ( and I have ), just read your history and find out what the Campbells did to them.
Robert Campbell of Glenlyon was in charge of the troops sent to Glencoe. He did not know why he was there until he received his sealed orders on the night of the massacre, and it was made plain to him that failure to carry out these orders would be tantamount to treason. What was he supposed to do ? Campbell was also kin to MacIan's wife.
Things are never as clear cut as they appear. When returning from Sherriffmuir MacIan and his clansmen ravaged the lands of Campbell of Glenlyon, driving off his cattle and assaulting his milkmaids.
Then again The Campbells of Glenlyon fought at Culloden alongside the Raasay MacLeods for Charles Edward Stuart
The history of the clans is a long and convoluted story with many twists and turns.
Based on my knowledge of Campbells and MacDonalds, I have to lean toward the MacDonalds because I like cheeseburgers better than soup.
quickfind:cellardyke > "There is always good natured ragging between the Clans at Games and Gatherings."
The fellow who runs the Campbell tent at festivals and clan gatherings in my area usually has a number of cans of soup on display; They have been relabeled with new labels in an excellent imitation of the Campbell's soup labels, but these are "Cream of MacDonald".
Perhaps the MacDonalds can have a few Campbellburgers ( with fries ).
as I have Campbell blood mixed in with a whole lot of other clan blood then perhaps I can say I have never come accross Campbell v MacDonald resentment . I have even attended the commemoration in Glencoe.
quickfind:cellardyke > "Perhaps the MacDonalds can have a few Campbellburgers ( with fries )."
Campbell has soup, or no?
braw teckly when its cauld.....lol
Campbells soup is excellent! Many of them are condensed and make a delicious base for a sauce! Cream of tomato is especially good poured over belly pork and onions - not too watery!
Here's for you Phil :-))
Actually the whole Campbells vs MacDonalds thing annoys me - why?
Because there were plenty of other such feuds, which were just as bad, which no one ever talks about anymore. The MacDonalds had a big spat going with the MacLeods and several other clans too. The Campbell/MacDonald thing has had more famous write-ups - in English. In Gaidhlig poetry, there are accounts of dozens of such clan feuds.
That said, I have both Campbells and MacDonalds in my ancestry. It means that sometimes I try to beat myself up in my sleep.
"now which clan do you want to belong to?"
Well, Bells is a pretty crap whisky, a telephone company, and a helicopter manufacturer.
Clan MacMillan on the other hand, has quite a good encyclopedia.
"The McDonald family was a Scottish clan that was part of Druidism. Many of the McDonald have gone on to serve Christ"
Erm, I think most people in these islands, the Celtic countries, and most of continental Europe have links to Druidism.
Apart from that, it's also the most common name in Scotland - not Smith - because of all the variants including Donald(son), McWhannell, O' Donnell/McDonell (the Irish versions) etc and possibly McConnell.
So I guess my MacDonald ancestry, plus the dodgy Campbells, and my Merovingian bloodline would make me a full blown part of the conspiracy. Like most of Europe... and Margo MacDonald.
Don't forget your uncle, Trevor MacDonald!
True Story: A friend, who is married to a retired Baylor University American history professor, Stan Campbell, was sitting wiith her husband on a bus in Edinburgh when an elderly woman demanded to know if there were any Campbells aboard. When she heard that they were, she refused to get on the bus. Since one of my great grandmothers is a McDonald, my friend and I both had a laugh over this incident.
True story; my friend Stella Allison used to take her holidays on Skye every year when she was at school. Over the years she struck up a passing acquaintance with the ferrymen. They would joke and pass the journey in conversation.
After a few years one of them asked her surname to which she replied "Campbell".
The ferryman turned his back, spat over the side and never spoke to her again.
Although we are talking about the early 1950's here these attituds still exist in some parts, and I guess they always will.
Ironically, she married a ClanRanald MacDonald.
Funny old world.
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