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But now ScotClans are to add 148 Armigerous clans to their site and so we're doing the same!
Yep, very soon we'll add 148 Armigerous clans to the list, enabling you to affiliate yourself to a clan that, so far, may not have been represented on Scotster - this will make it easier for you to find other people also affiliated to the same clan.
For more info on Armigerous clans and what they are, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armigerous_clan and the various links within that Wikipedia page.
Watch out for the announcement - as soon as ScotClans have added all 148 to their own site, they'll appear on Scotster. Here's the full list that I'll be adding to Scotster soon...
Abernethy, Adair, Adam, Aikenhead, Ainslie, Aiton, Allardice, Arnott, Auchinleck, Balfour, Bannatyne, Baxter, Belshes, Bethune, Beveridge, Binning, Bisset, BlackAdder, Blackstock, Blane, Blyth, Boswell, Brisbane, Butter, Byres, Cairns, Calder, Caldwell, Callender, Carruthers, Chalmers, Cheyne, Clelland, Clephane, Congilton, Crosbie, Dalmahoy, Dalrymple, Denniston, Don, Dunlop, Edmonstone, Fairlie, Falconer, Fenton, Fleming, Forrester, Fotheringham, Fullarton, Galloway, Garden, Gartshore, Ged, Gillon, Gibbs, Glas, Glen, Glendinning, Gray, Grewar, Haliburton, Halkerston, Halkett, Hepburn, Heron, Herries, Hog, Hopkirk, Horsburgh, Houston, Hutton, Kelly, Kinloch, Kinnaird, Kinnear, Kinnimont, Kirkcaldy, Laing, Lammie, Langlands, Learmonth, Little, Logie, Lundin, Lyle, MacBrayne, McGeachie, Mackie, Masterton, Maule, Maxton, McCorquodale, McCulloch, McIver, McKerrerll, Meldrum, Meikle, Mercer, Moncur, Monteith, Mouat, Moubray, Mow, Nairn, Newlands, Newton, Norvel, Ochterlony, Orrock, Paisley, Paterson, Pennycook, Pentland, Peter, Pitblado, Pitcairn, Pollock, Polwarth, Preston, Purves, Rait, Ralston, Renton, Roberton, Rossie, Russell, Rutherford, Schaw, Skirving, Smith, Somerville, Spalding, Spottiswood, Straiton, Taylor, Tait, Tennant, Trotter, Troup, Turnbull, Udney, Vans, Walkinshaw, Wardlaw, Wauchope, Whiteford, Whitelaw, Wishart
I hope Clan Johnston will be added.
quickfind:keltica > "I hope Clan Johnston will be added."
I'm definitely not an expert in these matters, but have certainly tried to learn a lot about clans and septs over the last few months since teaming up with ScotClans... everything I've just double-checked online also seems to point to "Johnston" not being a clan name - rather the officially recognised clan name is "Johnstone" which is already listed on Scotster.
Im still a clanless wee dolly :-(
sob sob :-(
quickfind:dollydimples > "Im still a clanless wee dolly"
I don't think there was ever a chance that Clan MacDimples was going to get included :p
awww wee dolly mcdimples hasnae got a clan, i propose a new clan for all mcdimples!
Dolly, can you not steal a relative's name down the line, somewhere way back in the murky depths of the past?
Dolly, what are all your grand and great grand parents surnames, (grandma's maiden names). I am sure we can find you a clan if that is what you want! Otherwise, Clan McDimples has a nice sound.
We've already instituted the grand auld name of Clan MacClanless under a separate thread. Dolly would make a fine addition I'm sure!!!! :-)
Jason - you're not an expert yet but you are a fast learner.
An armigerous clan refers to a Scottish clan, family or name which is registered with the Court of the Lord Lyon and once had a chief who bore undifferenced arms, but does not have a chief currently recognised as such by Lyon Court. Before 1745 all chiefs had arms, however not all of these are recorded in the Public Register of All Arms and Bearings in Scotland, which was only established in 1672. In Scottish heraldry undifferenced arms are only held by chiefs or heads of clans, families or names. A clan is considered a "noble incorporation" because a clan chief is a title of honour in Scotland and the chief confers his or her noble status onto the clan. Because armigerous clans do not have such chiefs, they are not recognised as noble communities and have no legal standing under Scots law.
The list is therefore "technically" incorrect. My clan, Buchanan for instance, does not have a chief and is therefore an Armigerous clan. But these lists get changed and confused quite commonly, so I wouldn't worry about it too much. And of course - outside of Scotland - the Court of the Lord Lyon has no jurisdiction although we tend to honor their standing.
Well, Dolly can join me in Clan MacClanless I think, because although my family have clan names, (I've listed four that I know of-MacKay, Hay, Wright, and MacLaine) my own name is Scobie and that's only related to the clan MacKay,(I think) so I don't think I'm really a true clan relative . And I don't even know if any of the names mentioned are proper clan names like David describes above, or if they too are armigerous clans, but no matter, I'll either join Dolly in clan MacClanless or claim a clan from my list. All I know for sure is, I'm Scottish, because I was born here. :-)
I think I may have to join the MacClanless although there is a kilt with my mums maiden name (baker) but I have no luck finding a clan etc..
My grandparents on my mothers side both came over to Scotland when they were very young. Thomson and Divers are two of the surnames kicking about with them.
And my other set... now Sshhhh... dont tell anyone this... BUT.... they are English! And sadly I know virtually nothing about that side of the family.
quickfind:dollydimples > "My grandparents on my mothers side both came over to Scotland when they were very young. Thomson and Divers are two of the surnames kicking about with them."
Meant to put that they came over from Ireland.
quickfind:dollydimples > "Thomson and Divers are two of the surnames kicking about with them."
From the information I have available, Divers is definitely an Irish name, but Thomson could be Scottish and would be affiliated with Clan MacThomas. Without doing research on your particular family, one can't say for sure. Families moved back and forth from Scotland to Ireland than back to Scotland all the time.
I know my mums side of the family goes back to Ireland very quickly and my mum has done some research there but hit a brick wall because most of the records beyond a certain date are only in the parish records, so we would have to visit all the churches to try and find out exact dates etc
ALOT of work :-(
[Posting removed by Jason... it was just a scammer! :( <rolls eyes>]
clan thompson does run to a clan tartan, see the blue or the brown thompson
Can anyone explain to me exactly what a "sept" of a clan is? I found through research that my grandmother's family, Marshall, is a sept of Clan Keith. I'm confused. :-) I assumed everyone in that clan would be a Keith.
I need a little clarity. LOL
Dr. Philip D. Smith, Jr. explains the term "sept" in his book "Tartan For Me!" very well.
"The preferred modern usage is to void the use of the term "sept" and to simply describe these names as what they are -- surnames of the family and of allied or dependent families. It is preferable to speak of 'The names and families of Clan X' rather than to call a name 'a sept of Clan X'."
Think of your own family, there are many different surnames but they are all part of your family. For example, think of your grandparents and their descendants -- there is probably many different surnames, but they are still part your grandparents family. The same can apply to most clans.
Hope this helps! If it doesn't continue to ask questions!
Perfect Mary! Thanks for that! Explained it beautifully.
I think I read recently on a website that some of the Higland Games and clan gatherings in the southeast U.S. are allowing 'visitors and new people' to attend and join the festivities without Scottish ancestry as members of a new and growing Redneck Clan.
I'm sure some of the people I've seen at our Gathering in Charleston, SC are certainly not of Scottish descent but they do enjoy watching the Games and pipe bands.
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